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		<title>Comment on About by Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>** The below contains personal feelings about legal issues related to the Flash Player.  I am not an attorney, so please take my opinions as just that, opinions. **

Hi Jennifer-

I&#039;m not quite sure what your implementation of a kiosk is, but most likely it&#039;s using a PC of some sort.  The EULA restricts against using non-PC hardware, on an embedded device or device version of an OS.  The kiosks I have worked on in the past have all been touchscreens attached to an actual PC tucked away somewhere, running &quot;normal&quot; Windows or Mac OS&#039;s.  You would most likely want to use a PC anyways, as the graphics and processing power needed to do some cool stuff in Flash just wouldn&#039;t like right on an embedded system of some sort.  Also, the list of items they show are examples, and if you go by the letter of their examples, you could never use the player - wouldn&#039;t a PC be considered an &quot;internet-connected device&quot;?  Further, they are trying to get Flash Player on to mobile, and they have been successful with Nokia and working (last I checked) to get on Android (we won&#039;t talk about iPhone).  So a custom EULA isn&#039;t out of the question either.  I feel the &quot;heart&quot; of their restrictions comes down to them not wanting anyone to port the Flash Player runtime to an unsupported OS or platform.

The crappy part is that Adobe&#039;s legal team doesn&#039;t consult on the actual limitations of their EULA.  While I&#039;m not an attorney, I would assume Adobe would rather continue to push its products and services out, gain a wider adoption rate, and say &quot;look what you can do with Flash&quot;; instead of crushing every application that might garner some attention.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=kiosk+site%3Aadobe.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a search on Adobe.com that references &#039;kiosk&#039; - 4860 results...  So while saying &quot;everyone else does it&quot; might not work out so well when trying to convince higher-up&#039;s of the legal details, I&#039;d specify that you&#039;re using a PC, not an embedded device; and of all things, a supported OS.

Conversely, if you were using a Kiosk with an embedded system, I would think you would need a license for FP Lite or a custom EULA from their legal team.  But if you&#039;re going to leverage another companies kiosk hardware or embedded system, that licensing would be their responsibility.  Again, this isn&#039;t legal advice, just how I&#039;d interpret it.  I couldn&#039;t imagine doing half of the graphics they have without Flash anyways, so I&#039;d assume for every 1 you hear about, there are a 1000 doing it that nobody knows about.

All this legal stuff aside, the Flash player offers a &quot;silent&quot; installer to push updated player versions to PC&#039;s (this might be restricted to organizations, you would have to check for &quot;silent flash player install&quot;).  However the last time I looked, AIR does not have such a thing.  Also, if you release an update to your Kiosk AIR application, it can&#039;t be a &quot;silent&quot; upgrade.  It would require someone physically (or remotely) at the machine to click the &quot;I Agree&quot; and other install dialog buttons with a mouse (or touchscreen) - unless you just changed the referenced SWF located on a server somewhere.

Obviously the decision is up to your company, your legal team and their interpretation of their EULA.  That&#039;s just my ranting rambling $.02...

- Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>** The below contains personal feelings about legal issues related to the Flash Player.  I am not an attorney, so please take my opinions as just that, opinions. **</p>
<p>Hi Jennifer-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure what your implementation of a kiosk is, but most likely it&#8217;s using a PC of some sort.  The EULA restricts against using non-PC hardware, on an embedded device or device version of an OS.  The kiosks I have worked on in the past have all been touchscreens attached to an actual PC tucked away somewhere, running &#8220;normal&#8221; Windows or Mac OS&#8217;s.  You would most likely want to use a PC anyways, as the graphics and processing power needed to do some cool stuff in Flash just wouldn&#8217;t like right on an embedded system of some sort.  Also, the list of items they show are examples, and if you go by the letter of their examples, you could never use the player &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t a PC be considered an &#8220;internet-connected device&#8221;?  Further, they are trying to get Flash Player on to mobile, and they have been successful with Nokia and working (last I checked) to get on Android (we won&#8217;t talk about iPhone).  So a custom EULA isn&#8217;t out of the question either.  I feel the &#8220;heart&#8221; of their restrictions comes down to them not wanting anyone to port the Flash Player runtime to an unsupported OS or platform.</p>
<p>The crappy part is that Adobe&#8217;s legal team doesn&#8217;t consult on the actual limitations of their EULA.  While I&#8217;m not an attorney, I would assume Adobe would rather continue to push its products and services out, gain a wider adoption rate, and say &#8220;look what you can do with Flash&#8221;; instead of crushing every application that might garner some attention.  <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=kiosk+site%3Aadobe.com" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a search on Adobe.com that references &#8216;kiosk&#8217; &#8211; 4860 results&#8230;  So while saying &#8220;everyone else does it&#8221; might not work out so well when trying to convince higher-up&#8217;s of the legal details, I&#8217;d specify that you&#8217;re using a PC, not an embedded device; and of all things, a supported OS.</p>
<p>Conversely, if you were using a Kiosk with an embedded system, I would think you would need a license for FP Lite or a custom EULA from their legal team.  But if you&#8217;re going to leverage another companies kiosk hardware or embedded system, that licensing would be their responsibility.  Again, this isn&#8217;t legal advice, just how I&#8217;d interpret it.  I couldn&#8217;t imagine doing half of the graphics they have without Flash anyways, so I&#8217;d assume for every 1 you hear about, there are a 1000 doing it that nobody knows about.</p>
<p>All this legal stuff aside, the Flash player offers a &#8220;silent&#8221; installer to push updated player versions to PC&#8217;s (this might be restricted to organizations, you would have to check for &#8220;silent flash player install&#8221;).  However the last time I looked, AIR does not have such a thing.  Also, if you release an update to your Kiosk AIR application, it can&#8217;t be a &#8220;silent&#8221; upgrade.  It would require someone physically (or remotely) at the machine to click the &#8220;I Agree&#8221; and other install dialog buttons with a mouse (or touchscreen) &#8211; unless you just changed the referenced SWF located on a server somewhere.</p>
<p>Obviously the decision is up to your company, your legal team and their interpretation of their EULA.  That&#8217;s just my ranting rambling $.02&#8230;</p>
<p>- Kevin</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?page_id=2&#038;cpage=1#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.

I am a software developer and currently develop a kiosk application using C++.  We are thinking about migrating our application to a different format and I was looking at using Adobe Flex.  Before I bring this idea to my manager, I was trying to figure out what licenses we would need for the kiosk.  I was thinking we would need the Adobe Flash Player on the kiosk, but according to their EULA, it is not allowed.  So, I looked at Adobe AIR, and it says the same thing.  Is there something I am missing?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>I am a software developer and currently develop a kiosk application using C++.  We are thinking about migrating our application to a different format and I was looking at using Adobe Flex.  Before I bring this idea to my manager, I was trying to figure out what licenses we would need for the kiosk.  I was thinking we would need the Adobe Flash Player on the kiosk, but according to their EULA, it is not allowed.  So, I looked at Adobe AIR, and it says the same thing.  Is there something I am missing?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On my way to 360&#124;Flex San Jose by Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?p=24&#038;cpage=1#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember you for sure.  Sucks you can&#039;t make it.  Did you make it to Indy?  I&#039;ve been MIA for the last year or so, but I&#039;m coming back!  Hopefully Arnold will be there - but then again he&#039;s usually always there... Take care and congrats on the Chi-town gig!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember you for sure.  Sucks you can&#8217;t make it.  Did you make it to Indy?  I&#8217;ve been MIA for the last year or so, but I&#8217;m coming back!  Hopefully Arnold will be there &#8211; but then again he&#8217;s usually always there&#8230; Take care and congrats on the Chi-town gig!</p>
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		<title>Comment on On my way to 360&#124;Flex San Jose by Aaron Winkler</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?p=24&#038;cpage=1#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Winkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Kevin, Not sure if you remember me, but I won&#039;t be making it this year.  I started at a new gig in Chicago (TradeMonster).  Say hello to Arnold for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Kevin, Not sure if you remember me, but I won&#8217;t be making it this year.  I started at a new gig in Chicago (TradeMonster).  Say hello to Arnold for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On my way to 360&#124;Flex San Jose by Tom Ortega</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?p=24&#038;cpage=1#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t think of it as peer pressure, but more like the call of the Siren.  :)

Either way, can&#039;t wait to see ya at the show!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think of it as peer pressure, but more like the call of the Siren.  <img src='http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Either way, can&#8217;t wait to see ya at the show!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creating a Kiosk with Flex by Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?p=11&#038;cpage=1#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cristin-

I&#039;m glad the article was helpful.  Mouse.hide() can go in a few places, I would typically place it in the creationComplete method at the &lt;Application&gt; level.  I would also put it in the screen saver process somewhere (as right-clicking and left-clicking off the context menu will leave the cursor visible).

Let me know if you have any other questions.

- Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cristin-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the article was helpful.  Mouse.hide() can go in a few places, I would typically place it in the creationComplete method at the <application> level.  I would also put it in the screen saver process somewhere (as right-clicking and left-clicking off the context menu will leave the cursor visible).</p>
<p>Let me know if you have any other questions.</p>
<p>- Kevin</application></p>
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		<title>Comment on Creating a Kiosk with Flex by Cristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,
Your article was very helpful to me.  I am very new to Flex and AS3 in general and I have a question.  Could you explain where you would put the Mouse.hide() within the context of the application?

-Cristin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,<br />
Your article was very helpful to me.  I am very new to Flex and AS3 in general and I have a question.  Could you explain where you would put the Mouse.hide() within the context of the application?</p>
<p>-Cristin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creating a Kiosk with Flex by Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?p=11&#038;cpage=1#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andre-

Sorry it took me so long to reply, crazy small world!  I guess there is some Flex gene&#039;s in the family heritage going back quite a few years!  I hope you enjoyed the article and got something out of it!

- Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andre-</p>
<p>Sorry it took me so long to reply, crazy small world!  I guess there is some Flex gene&#8217;s in the family heritage going back quite a few years!  I hope you enjoyed the article and got something out of it!</p>
<p>- Kevin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creating a Kiosk with Flex by Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?p=11&#038;cpage=1#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi raghavendra-

You will need a monitor or an overlay in order to get touch events passed through to the machine.  There are a couple of pretty cool monitor overlays out there to enable touch screens, but they&#039;re going to be pricey.

- Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi raghavendra-</p>
<p>You will need a monitor or an overlay in order to get touch events passed through to the machine.  There are a couple of pretty cool monitor overlays out there to enable touch screens, but they&#8217;re going to be pricey.</p>
<p>- Kevin</p>
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		<title>Comment on 360&#124;Flex Presentation by Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinfauth.com/blog/?p=4&#038;cpage=1#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jane-

The code and article are published under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License&lt;/a&gt;.  Thanks for taking the time to read the article!  Let me know if you have any other questions.

- Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jane-</p>
<p>The code and article are published under the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/" rel="nofollow">Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License</a>.  Thanks for taking the time to read the article!  Let me know if you have any other questions.</p>
<p>- Kevin</p>
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